BUD: The thing is I do a lot of thinking and, and it's just nice to be in a place where it's quiet. Where you don't have co-workers barging in, saying, "Hey, you got a couple minutes. I want to talk to you about something." Or whatever, and so I really -- I enjoyed working at home. Now, in the early years when I did that I had a tremendous amount of client contact because I was a consultant. So I had lots of interaction with people.

HATTIE: Did you go to them?

BUD: I would go to them for meetings. I was a one man little factory. I mean I come home, and put on my work clothes. And then you know, saw and nail and everything and then build something. Then you put on this nice suit and then carry it to a boardroom and show it to them. For me working at home is an advantage because I'm a workaholic.

HATTIE: Let's talk about that. At two in the morning, you get an idea.

BUD: I mean I once went to a shrink when I lived in New York under tremendous pressure. And she spent several sessions with me and she said, "You know, you really don't need to see me." She said, "You're just an obsessive -- a garden variety obsessive compulsive neurotic." And she said, "Some people wash their hands a thousand times a day, other people face east. You just like to work." And she said, "I know you because I'm 83 years old, I'm working six days a week myself." And she said, "Now, my advice to you is very simple. Don't ever stop working, because if you do you'll probably fall into such a depression you might kill yourself."

HATTIE: Would you say that you're a workaholic?

BRUCE: I would say that I am passionately in love with the vision of a new future and that I will work tirelessly to see that future happen. Otherwise, what's the alternative. More of the same?

If going and working for a Fortune 500 or a Fortune 1000 company has meaning and value to you, do it. That's a wonderful thing to do. But if you're driven by some inner vision, if you really dislike something about the world and you want to change it, then start your own business and go for it.

RON: You have to be a perfectionist. You have to really be, work with the people closely and listen to them. They're going to recommend you and they're going to wait for you the next time they want to do a project.

BUD: The first thing I'd say, you have to be single-minded. You really -- like a horse with blinders on. I'm not going to be distracted by television or this and that. And I'm not going to -- if you have a home, not going to walk out in the garden and start picking up the flowers. Oh, nice pool, I think I'll take a dip, you know. That sort of thing.

HATTIE: What keeps you jazzed? When you wake up in the morning, what gets you out of bed?

RON: You need to have a project. Got have one of these that I'm working on buying or selling or renovating or something. I've got too much of that in my blood that I've got to have a project. The people close to me say that when I'm not involved in something very heavily, I'm not a happy person. I'm always pushing to do something new. I'm to the point to where I don't need to work anymore, but I still am driven for some reason to continue to build a portfolio and to build a network.

BRUCE: I don't think I've worked a day in my life, actually I've always played. But my play is my work and my work is understanding something about the very essence of life.

BUD: To me it's the worst thing in the world is to have a job that you really don't like, because it takes so much of your time. You ruin your whole life. But if you have a job you like, I don't think you ever want to get rid of it. What else is there to do?