DON: Our office was in a phone booth on Route 9W.

HATTIE: You have to explain that. Your office was in a phone booth?

DON: It was in a phone booth. And we, basically, had the gas attendant answer the telephones. He answered the phone...

HATTIE: And you gave him a tip every week?

DON: We gave him a tip every week.

HATTIE: Now did you do that because you just didn't have any other way to do it, you didn't have any cash flow?

DON: We didn't have any money. I mean we were looking to take the money and basically use it for equipment, people and getting the jobs.

HATTIE: OK. That's the $20,000 from the bank...

DON: Twenty thousand.

HATTIE: That was not for a phone. That was not for a fancy office.

DON: No. No.

HATTIE: That was to get the job.

DON: To get work so we can make money.

HATTIE: When you got that $20,000 from that banker, was there something in your heart or your gut, that said, `I will make my payments, no matter what'?

DON: Well, that's a fact because I didn't take a salary for the first year. I did not take any money from the company, period, for the first year.

HATTIE: And you made your payments?

DON: And we made our payments. We made our payments every week, every month.